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For non Liberal 2.0ers see here

For people, organizations etc that blurs line of being a Liberal 2.0 and non Liberal 2.0 or who are off in la la land -off compass see here

I am Anti Liberal 2.0 (Anti Liberal (2.0) Aktion)/Post Liberal (2.0) including Anti Neoliberal (Post Neoliberal) and Anti 'Centrist'.

Relatedly I reject and explicitly condemn Alt Fascism Movement (i.e the Fascoid MAFIA) . I am Anti Alt Fascist Movement Action

I am Anti Liberal 2.0 but I am really Anti Social Justice Anarcho-INGSOC Communalism   (South Park 'we hate conservatives but we really hate liberals)  , this is to downplay my anti Liberalism (2.0),   social justice anarcho ingsoc communalism comes from new whacky ideologies subreddit

(Social Justice Anarcho-INGSOC Communalism is chopped liver)  polcompball anarchy for anti liberal ideology which says 'any ideology that opposes Liberalism is fair game to ally with anti Liberalism against Liberalism, anything else (which would include Social Justice Anarcho-INGSOC Communalism) is chopped liver

Social Justice Anarcho-INGSOC Communalism is the archenemy of my ideologies unlike Liberalism 2.0 which is only a mere enemy of my ideologies  (American model in polcompball listed as arch enemy of 4pt, so polcompball says liberlaism 2.0 is not archenemy of 4pt but American model is, so here I replace American model as 4pt's arch enemy with something similar :Social Justice Anarcho-INGSOC Communalism

However, the Bourgeois Systematic Ruling Class is the Greater Scope Arch Villain .  

The Bourgeois Systematic Ruling Class is a threat and arch villainous presence that's more dangerous, affects more people, and or is more significant than Liberalism 2.0 , Alt Fascism Movement ideology and even Social Justice Anarcho-INGSOC Communalism in the setting as a whole, but it isn't causing the conflict of the immediate political climate (and may have little to do with it at all). 

While Liberalism 2.0 and Social Justice Anarcho-INGSOC Communalism along with Alt Fascism Movement ideology are directly responsible for the current political climate — Liberalism 2.0, Alt Fascism Movement ideology but especially/more so Social Justice Anarcho-INGSOC Communalism are the villain/arch villain that I am trying to help us overcome

The Bourgeois Systematic Ruling Class isn't a major force in our political world, it is only a major force in the background.  The Bourgeois Systematic Ruling Class are just responsible for anything evil or fueling at least a part of the current political setting in which our political story takes place. 

The Bourgeois Systematic Ruling Class are in a way Liberalism 2.0 and Social Justice Anarcho-INGSOC Communalism's superior and also is a superior to the Alt Fascism Movement ideology in a related way

There might be some direct crossover between the Bourgeois Systematic Ruling Class , Liberalism 2.0, Alt Fascism Movement ideology and Social Justice Anarcho-INGSOC Communalism, which is me also being Anti 'Centrist' and Anti Enlightened Centrist accounts for

I recognize there is good and bad in Liberalism as mentioned here  (also see here for a positive outlook by me on this)

Liberalism 2.0 is:   (libera and is link is from shitliberalssay main sub description)

Neoliberalism left wing boogeyman (including Social Neoliberalism variant of reddit Neoliberalism and Washington consensus Neoliberalism latter of which left wing chile g boric c vallejo brand of anti neoliberalism broad front social convergence especially opposes, modern Neoliberalism the left wing boogeyman , Neoliberal left stupidpol label for them, etc), state liberalism lite  a lite version of state liberal like alt lite light version of alt right, (like turbolibs) 

Chuds, (shitliberalssay subreddit has liberals and chuds as their targets but i heard once they consider chuds to be part of Liberalism as the 4pt says conservatives were part of Liberalism 1.0) Conservatism 2.0

Wet Toryism Nevertrumper Jennifer Rubin, Neoconservatism, Imperialism-Western imperialism, Anti Libertarians

The Cathedral (neo reactionary sark enlightenment peter thiel etc) Successor Ideology, Leninism 4.0 (stupidpol says cultural marxism is really: French post-structuralism, radlib-unorthodox Marxism with woke idpol-intersectionality/tankiejerk redditor says what is called cult marxism is diff ideology like here related to the Frankfort school crossposted to stupidpol)  fictional utopian version of the frankurt school (criticaltheory reddit)

including the Corporatized left stupidpol plutocratic left  racket article mentioned by stuipdpol user but on another subreddit), psuedo postmodernism/western political modernity (which combined is basically American Thought) stupidpol

Synth Left-Pseudo Left (including Faux Progressivism https://fifrthexplainn.blogspot.com/2023/04/syhrtt-trltrltrtlk.html)

 Cringe Left (coined by tankie Haz 

Liberalism 2.0 includes the Cringe Left . The Cringe Left is the Authoritarian leftism of Murray Bookchin and his ‘LibLeft’ adherents (Bob Black’s critique of Muuray Bookchin and Bookchin’s Authoritarian leftism) bob black  post left meshes with  my views on M Bookchin and company

and ultra left (including the type mentioned here and here for second link from ask tankies) variant of the Left, (socialism died 1990s part from trotskyist on ukraine conflict sub, all others stupidpol, slavo zizek and palimpsests part from ciritical theory reddit )

including Orange LibLeft the lefties i also see as similar to democrats and their ilk coined by politicalcompsssmemes reddit (

i.e wokecalists, coined by stupidpol

the PMC-lumpen alliance coined by stupidpol, left contrarians , Shitlibs, Twitter 'leftists'/MSNBC type of Liberals

RadLib (Radical Liberalism), Post liberal progressivism (like revolutionary progressiveness , transnational progressiveness diff but similar form of liberal progressivism, and PMC progressivism term coined by stupidpol used in one thread i saw forgot name and in this thread too https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/105ozoh/the_new_yorkercan_progressives_be_convinced_that/  where they add narcissist to it

including the PMC soy Left stupidpol term

in rev prog-radlib link Cryp epepe: critical theory

RadLib (Radical Liberalism), revolutionary 'progressiveness',  state liberal related, worse form of liberal progressivism

cultural radicalism (critical theory reddit) liberal progressivism)  

See here for more examples of who is a Liberal 2.0er. Basically I am only against unreasonable Liberal 2.0ers (as mentioned in this thread). 

Liberalism 2.0 is found especially in the Center right Conservative Liberalism (including in the main right wing and alt right) and especially in the Center Left (Center Left ‘Normie’ Liberalism, 

and Left Center (moderate Leftists). There is a large overlap between the Left Center and Orange Libleft.   pcm reddit

The radlibs (wokies etc) are centrist/center left but they share features with the far right stupidpol me going st them from left.

 (i.e they are basically Enlightened centrists). See here for more

The only thing that is ‘leftist’ about the radlibs (wokies etc) that they claim to be advancing egalitarianism, yet they are not interested in materialism, they are fully concerned with atrophying prejudice in each individual since they think this will make our current economic system ok.   stupidpol

That is absolutely a centrist project stupidpol (they are basically Enlightened centrists),

 they want to improve the system we are living in, not change it, or at least their first priority is to get rid of prejudice, not economic change, so this excludes them from being far left.stupidpol

Political beliefs can't really be classed on a single axis stupidpol.  Political beliefs can't really be classed on a single axis. Liberal 2.0ers lack self-awareness. This is the reason that they identify as so many different things as seen in this post, many of which they are not (eg. socialists or communists). stupidpol

As when I state when people accuse others of being 'fascist', if I am going to accuse someone of being a liberal 2.0, I usually do so after I identify what exact liberal 2.0 beliefs they hold, instead of me lumping them in with the undesirable group due to something they said in some weird way reminded them of some other Liberal 2.0ers. 

Honestly I feel a bit bad for stating that I know and have seen a lot of people that fit the above description, but at the same time, it feels bad to call so many people NPCs or consoom-zombies etc . I don't know if I have a difficult time believing it, or I simply don't want to believe it, or something else completely . stupidpol

The vast majority of radlibs and wokies are authoritarian centrists, and have more in common with evangelical conservatives than either group would care to admit. stupidpol

Some leftists who had extremely conservative religious upbringings, they would agree. There are more similarities than differences between the two groups, the obvious features being puritanical thinking and self-righteous moral absolutism. stupidpol

I am a deradicalizer of what the MSM calls far right which includes far right adjacent people, the latter being the above radlibs (wokies etc) who are centrist/center left yet share features with the far right. 

So like with what the MSM calls the far right, I make myself digestible to the above far right adjacent people (i.e auth centrist/center left radlib wokies by at least pretending to embrace some of their views which share features with the far right. stupidpol since it is normie acceptable to embrace those views and id be foolish to miss that oppurtunity but i am only doing so to make myself digestible to them ) who are centrist/center left yet share features with the far right by treating them as I do (including with above woke views) to create a conduit for my positions and philosophy to be internalized by them like Destiny did with Nick Fuentes and his Groyper army and Vaush does on Youtube to right wing extremists   i.e

Most of the Liberal 2.0ers (well at least the more leftists Liberal 2.0ers like Successor Ideologues, Revolutionary-Transnational Progressives, Radlibs , Synth left/orange Libleft) espouse the cultural values of green (i.e non Liberal 2.0) LibLeft but are tricked into WRONGLY thinking the state is the best avenue for enforcing those cultural values.(when the state should NOT be used to enforce those cultural values) politicalcompassmemes reddit

The people driving the Liberal 2.0 movement are either pure AuthLeft or AuthCenter, depending on the person. They want to expand societal influence (AuthLeft, like academics and activists) or consolidate it (AuthCenter, like politicians and corporations), originally by using their deformed brand of class warfare, but now they abandoned that approach after the Occupy Wall St which they were a part of, went nowhere politicalcompassmemes reddit.

They then embraced critical theory and pushed identity and cultural warfare, by which they have been more successful. They don't really believe any of it, they do however see it as a means to an end (wealth and control) by pushing green (i.e non Liberal 2.0) LibLeft values as a Trojan horse for AuthLeft/AuthCenter political systems. politicalcompassmemes reddit

The three political wings Left, Liberal 2.0 and Right have three extremes: Far left (Left Wing), Radlib (Liberal 2.0 wing) and Far right (Right Wing)

The American "left"has split in 2 groups: kiwifarms

Non Liberal 2.0 Left: The traditional left who uphold true left values and who seek improvement through humanism and compassion. kiwifarms

The Liberal 2.0 pseudo Left: The insane woke (American) left who mistakes fascism and oppression with progressiveness and who have created nothing more than a new religion, And are ironically guilty of all of the things that they are saying to be against. kiwifarms

Proto Liberal 2.0 economics /Liberal 2.0 economics include  Social Liberal Capitalism, quasi-utopian socialism i.e what Republicans in the US falsely call “Socialism” (Liberal mixed economy)/Statism-Left Statism (which Millennials and Gen Zers also falsely think is Socialism), State Socialism with Liberal 2.0 characteristics, 21st century Social fascism , what the Right wingers in the US falsely call "Communism"(i.e Late Stage Capitalism)  stupidpol https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/rfflbb/why_is_every_online_leftist_space_filled_with/

Humanistic-Inclusive Capitalism (including Rainbow Capitalism) , Wokecialism (race reductionist Socialism) , ’SuccDem’, Neoliberalism, real Neo marxism, and most forms of Keynesian economics (except like this)

Liberal 2.0ers unintentionally helps right wing extremists and play right into their hands just like Liberals in Germany in the 1930s unintentionally helped the NDSAP and played right into their hands or worse 

Liberal 2.0ers (just like proto Liberal 2.0ers) love defending Capitalism and being Capitalist and Capitalism is an economic system of fascism stupidpol

Marxist theory says that fascism tends to follow the failings of the left to secure gains. Reformism and liberal 2.0 politics drag leftist politics to a screeching halt in times of pressure, and then chauvinistic movements come along to fill the gap. stupidpol

This is exactly what is happening with Liberalism 2.0. We are entering a new era of economic insecurity where basic needs are becoming more and more inaccessible. stupidpol

Yet, the ideologues of the democratic party want us to concern ourselves with the plight of transgender swimmers. They want us to be concern ourselves with someone's opinion on twitter. They want us to concern ourselves about gender inequality in corporate boardrooms.It's a load of bullsh*t  stupidpol

In politics, as in physics, each action has an equal and opposite reaction. The Liberal 2.0ers do not know what type of monster they are creating. If this continues without resistance, 45 will prove to have been a foreshock for an unspeakable menace. stupidpol Angela Nagle’s book Kill all Normies expands on this and I generally echo everything she wrote in that book, as does this and this

I touch on this elsewhere in this blog 

I also touch on this above in talking about “The radlibs (wokies etc) are centrist/center left but they share features with the alt right” part, but you apply this logic to all factions on the more extreme end of the right . 

Seeing how much the "Liberal 2.0" discourse in the US aligns with ethno nationalist in Europe has constantly has been a point of weirdness to me. You get these people who are shouting calling themselves Liberal 2.0, and who talk way too similar to some European neo-naughtzies. stupidpol

The populist hard right types love this small shell game because they can claim to be defending their culture instead of a concept of racial purity. Richard Spencer does this b.s. But so do more mainstream nativist sorts like Geert Wilders and Marine Le Pen. stupidpol

There are some vile little right-wing trolls that are pushing for a return of biological race science but I believe they'll be marginal on the right long-term. The lame Liberal 2.0 essentialists of liberal 2.0 academia's sociology and humanities departments have already handed the right the intellectual tools it needs to rationalize the abuse of otherized populations. stupidpol

Equity, Cultural radicalism/ Transnational progressivism-Revolutionary progressivism, and inclusionarism, are not compatible with the concept of liberty

“type of  Libertarian sub-ideology which stresses inherent incompatibility between cultural egalitarianism/ progressivism, and inclusionarism, and the concept of liberty, as well as a focus on the importance of inherited culture as a means of maintaining or” https://polcompball.miraheze.org/wiki/Paleolibertarianism#10_principles

Read this post

Post liberal progressives and Neoliberal progressives have this weird tendency to paint themselves as the allies of the working class and to call their ideology “left wing” instead of them admitting that they are just a diet version of conservatives just with some different social views. 

Moreover, Post liberal progressives and Neoliberal progressives appear to believe that leftists should be lapdogs for the Democratic party because the US’s two-party system prevents anyone with left-wing views from gaining any power, and so, us leftists are forced to be “represented” by people that we consider closer to the Republican party than to ourselves. 

The dishonesty of it all gets some of us on the left bent out of shape, and not wrongfully. If Post liberal progressives and Neoliberal progressives could just admit that their views are based first and foremost on maintaining capitalist/American hegemony and imperialism instead of them pretending they and leftists value the same things, Post liberal progressives and Neoliberal progressives would more often than not be just lumped in with Trump supporters/conservatives by us leftists instead of being singled out. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/l3bun7/comment/gkea17j/?context=1

EDIT/TL;DR: It’s the same reason someone would complain more about a bad roommate they are stuck on a lease with than about someone they dislike more than that bad roommate but that they don’t have to deal with as often. We for all intents and purposes have to coexist in the Post liberal progressives and Neoliberal progressives Dem sphere if we want to participate in electoral politics (and then get screamed at if we choose not to). It’s terrible to deal with.

At least we know what we are getting into with chuds and D Trump supporters

It's like a farmer comparing a wolf and a fox .Sure, the wolf has the potential to kill more of that farmer’s livestock, but foxes can do it without the farmer even realizing. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/l3bun7/comment/gkea17j/?context=1

Doesn't mean us leftists should support either, but we already have safeguards against wolves

The difference of being uneducated (Cons Chuds/Reactionaries) and being intentionally greedy and morally bankrupt (Social Fascists/Liberals/Progressives/Democrats). https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/l3bun7/comment/gkea17j/?context=1

Left Wingers are socialists. Liberal 2.0ers are part of the Right, Progressives are somewhere in the middle. If people are learning about Left wing politics here are 34 Left Wing subreddits across the whole spectrum of Left Wing tendencies on Reddit. If the link doesn't work open it in a browser instead of your app.

Also see this , this, this, this, this, this, this,this, this, this, this, this

this, this, this, this, this, this

To be Left Wing you have to be egalitarian (if you support capitalism you are not egalitarian, equality before liberty/freedom = egalitarian) , Socialist (support public ownership of the means of production), Anarchist (AnCap does not count), Mutualist or Communist, meshes w https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/l3bun7/comment/gkea17j/?context=1

AOC or Bernie Sanders who are crypto capitalists 

The majority of Americans have no freaking idea what Leftism truly is, thanks to the neoliberals and their woke lapdogs appropriating Leftist, “progressive” language for the establishment. To the majority of Americans, the difference between liberal 2.0ers and Leftists is just splitting hairs and they are of course wrong  stupidpol post left idpol thread

I tend to critique Liberal Progressivism/ Neoliberal Progressivism as opposed to me being against Liberal  Progressivism/ Neoliberal Progressivism anti tankie fandom says leftists should only critique liberalism not oppose it like tankies sort of (I am not against that type of Progressivism, the only type of progressiveism I am against is post liberal progressivism like revolutionary progressivism, transnational progressivism and PMC progressivism  term coined by stupidpol )  )   See here for more (https://truepolvie2ne.blogspot.com/2023/04/prog-vs-liberal.html from dankmemes reddit also reflects my offline views of prog vs liberal)

Liberal Progressivism/ Neoliberal Progressivism are actually left liberals in theory, people who genuinely want to improve the world yet live inside the liberal 1.0 framework and worldview. Liberal Progressivism/ Neoliberal Progressivism is a very different thing than a socialist. Historically Liberal Progressivism/ Neoliberal Progressivism has worse implications as a middle class movement as o rationalize the system and add class harmonious management to improve capitalism. https://www.reddit.com/r/Socialism_101/comments/ad4d3o/are_socialists_progressives_or_is_that_just_a/ 

We’re in a hard moment as SocDems like the DSA attempt to erase the difference between all three for short term political gain.

Edit: We can call the DSA big tent all we want but SocDems control all the national political councils and other relevant positions within DSA, set the yearly agenda, are the only subgroups who speak to the press, and are the ones trumpeting AOC and dragging the organization to Bernie Sanders direction. Syriza was big tent also, that was what its name literally meant. But in the end it made no real difference.  https://www.reddit.com/r/Socialism_101/comments/ad4d3o/are_socialists_progressives_or_is_that_just_a/

I also critique Liberals, Socialists and fellow Anarchists  left anarchism subreddit sidebar minus conservatives

The vast majority of Progressivists and the majority of Liberal 2.0ers naively and wrongly believe that equality can be accommodated into existing capitalist structures, but they differ in their fake criticism of capitalism and on the extent of fake reform and the welfare state.   askaliberal American left wikipedia

I do not critique Socialist Progressives as much as I critique Liberal Progressivism and I don't critique Liberal Progressivism as much as I critique Neoliberal Progressivism since Socialist progressives  don't have that baggage they do and are left wing (and thus a-ok), and because Liberal Progressivism is non Liberal 2.0 while Neoliberal Progressivism blurs the line between Non liberal 2.0 and Liberal 2.0

If Bill Kristol and Hillary Clinton support something -someone or are against something or someone (like the 2021 Ohio congress race) I know to take the opposite stance (but that is not why I am pro LGBTQ+ and pro Trans)

If much of my discourse is based off my aesthetic dislike of liberal 2.0ers then let me say that even though I dislike the liberal 2.0 aesthetic, as a Left wing Marxian and serious Libertarian Marxist, I am more concerned about power, economics, class, war, etc than I am with how annoying Liberal 2.0ers are. I tend to overlook Liberal 2.0ers (like consumerzombies) if they show an opening to support Left wing economic reform by asking me about the ills of consumerism   stupidpol

Anti Liberalism (2.0) is radically Anti Liberal 2.0 and is also inspired by the outer limit ideas from Communism and Guild syndication , but rejects the doctrine of both Communism and Guild syndication (fourth political theory plcompball)